I applaud your choice to tackle an extremely divisive topic; an uncomfortable one that we need to address as a nation. I had many of the same feelings when watching this scene and found it truly disturbing. Not because of the violence, but because of how close it feels to where we're headed.
I realize politics really isn't your beat, but we are all gonna have to pick a side, and I choose democracy, representative government, and the Democratic party.
I appreciate your willingness to not dodge the urgency of this dangerous hour. You could just put on a blindfold, a pair of clamshell noise supressors, and write about new releases from Shout Factory.
I also appreciate your willingness to discuss a difficult topic. It would be easy to look the other way, but what I've appreciated about movies is that they are political. And we can discuss them and what they mean. A Clockwork Orange, Star Wars, Civil War--there's a lot to discuss. Art has a way of holding a mirror up to us and we have to decide what our beliefs are. Kudos for you to speaking up!
It is infuriating to see those who condone and excuse the actions of ICE. They fit in with those who claimed the Gestapo was doing a good job for the German people. The far right is fueled by hate for anyone different from them. That's what that scene from "Civil War" illustrated. We used to be a nation of laws under a Constitution. Yes, it was imperfect and could have been improved, but now we have moved on to a white Christian Nationalist dominated government that is in bed with billionaires and autocrats. Movies reflect the society they were made in, and right now, things are grim for those who love freedom.
Similar to "Civil War" Hollywood has been a socialist group think for to long. Trying to equate a leftist apocalyptic war film with a depiction of war crimes to ICE Officers doing their job is not responsible at all. And it fans the flames of divisiveness. Now, I sympathize with the political left. I understand everyday is the end of the world to you because Trump is president again. This is not how you win hearts and minds. I think "One Battle After Another" is in the same vein. The Hollywood left is just oozing over this picture. Why? A story about a domestic terrorist attacking feds. I'm sure that film and "Civil War" are inspirational to groups who are coordinating attacks on ICE Officers and facilities. Remember we are NOT a democracy. USA is a Democratic Republic. We live and die but the laws that are in place. If you don't want immigration law enforced, change the law. Until then you obey the law. Do not compare law enforcement to Militia, SS, KGB. Emotional arguments ruin nations. If you have never put on a vest and carried a rifle. I would encourage you to do a ride along. Get an idea of exactly what its like trying to enforce laws. Extracting child molesters out of cities who are protecting them. Making a simple traffic stop in hopes you are not fired upon when walking up to a window. Federal Law Supersedes state law (been that way since 1864). Cities & States cannot defy federal law. They couldn't under Obama, and Biden. Nothing has changed now.
So the laws say you cannot stop someone without probable cause. And the laws also say that an ICE agent cannot detain a citizen. And the laws don’t require citizens to produce an ID just because they are asked. And the laws also say that we are supposed to have due process. So which laws do you want to follow? Because the agents aren’t following theirs.
"ICE agents have the authority to detain individuals for interfering with immigration enforcement operations. This includes actions such as obstructing agents, resisting arrest, or attempting to evade arrest." Its easier to discuss actual events and not generalities or hearsay. Every arrest is different even for State / City law enforcement. "U.S. citizens are not legally required to provide ID to ICE when they are stopped or questioned. However, if a citizen is lawfully detained, it is advisable to show identification to prove citizenship status, as this may help secure their release. Citizens have the right to remain silent and do not have to answer questions about their immigration status unless they are detained." ICE officers / Just like all Law Enforcement does not apply sentencing. That's up to SCOTUS to decide what is justified and what is not. Again. Congress can change the law whenever they want.
ICE can detain individuals if they believe they are in the U.S. unlawfully,
and not having ID can contribute to reasonable suspicion in such cases.
ICE's Authority to Detain
ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) has the authority to arrest and detain individuals suspected of being in the U.S. illegally. They do not require a judicial warrant to make these arrests and can initiate encounters based on reasonable suspicion that a person is unlawfully present in the country. This means that if an individual cannot provide identification, ICE agents may view this as a factor contributing to their suspicion regarding the person's immigration status.
Is ICE Allowed to Detain American Citizens?
No, ICE cannot legally arrest or deport a U.S. citizen. However, this does not mean ICE never detains American citizens. In fact, the federal government has even faced lawsuits for the wrongful detention of U.S. citizens. ICE may detain
citizens of the country if they have reason to believe they are not American citizens. While detaining an American citizen is a violation of the law, ICE might hold a person until they can confirm the citizenship status of the
individual. There are many reasons ICE may detain a person and they include:
Mistakenly identifying someone, such as confusion if they are looking for someone with a similar name Federal databases that contain inaccurate or outdated immigration records
A person was born to American citizen parents in another country and documentation of their citizenship is unclear or incomplete
Even though ICE does not have the authority to deport American citizens, the above errors show why quick legal intervention is of the utmost importance.
In summary, while ICE does have the authority to detain individuals for not having ID, this action is typically based on the suspicion that the person may be in the country unlawfully. Individuals should be aware of their rights during encounters with ICE and seek legal assistance
if they feel they are being wrongfully detained.
ICE can still Detain / Arrest people for obstructing their operations.
Yet you were ok with the same enforcement under Obama. Just say. you have no idea whats going on, but you stand with Hollywood. The figure of 2.4 million deportations during 2009–2016 became a touchstone for assessments of the Obama administration’s immigration enforcement, driving criticism from immigrant advocates and praise from those prioritizing public safety. This count is presented in overview accounts that track annual removals and underlies the moniker “Deporter‑in‑Chief,” which crystallized political debate about whether enforcement was appropriately focused on criminals or whether it cast too wide a net. Contemporary ICE reporting, including the FY 2024 Annual Report, does not retroactively detail these years but confirms ongoing high volumes of administrative and at‑large arrests in recent years, illustrating continuity in enforcement scale even as policy priorities shift
Just admit you're a fascist man. Otherwise you've typed several hundred words of nonsense to try to justify the harassment and even execution of citizens by a completely unregulated enforcement arm of the executive branch.
Read what the Minneapolis sheriff's department said. ICE is regulated by DHS. Nothing I've stated is inaccurate. Not sure where you think its legal to use your vehicle against any uniformed officer?
Except that didn't happen. And LEO are not allowed to shoot at the driver even if she did. You're a pathetic excuse for a human being. Like I said, just admit you're a fascist.
Re read the law. LEO can fire when someone uses their vehicle to ram law enforcement. On top of the 2020 law signed by tim waltz for MINN. Minnesota Statutes §609.066
Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz signed a 2020 law (Minnesota Statutes §609.066) allowing police to use deadly force against vehicles perceived as imminent threats – even before physical impact
I applaud your choice to tackle an extremely divisive topic; an uncomfortable one that we need to address as a nation. I had many of the same feelings when watching this scene and found it truly disturbing. Not because of the violence, but because of how close it feels to where we're headed.
I realize politics really isn't your beat, but we are all gonna have to pick a side, and I choose democracy, representative government, and the Democratic party.
I appreciate your willingness to not dodge the urgency of this dangerous hour. You could just put on a blindfold, a pair of clamshell noise supressors, and write about new releases from Shout Factory.
I also appreciate your willingness to discuss a difficult topic. It would be easy to look the other way, but what I've appreciated about movies is that they are political. And we can discuss them and what they mean. A Clockwork Orange, Star Wars, Civil War--there's a lot to discuss. Art has a way of holding a mirror up to us and we have to decide what our beliefs are. Kudos for you to speaking up!
It is infuriating to see those who condone and excuse the actions of ICE. They fit in with those who claimed the Gestapo was doing a good job for the German people. The far right is fueled by hate for anyone different from them. That's what that scene from "Civil War" illustrated. We used to be a nation of laws under a Constitution. Yes, it was imperfect and could have been improved, but now we have moved on to a white Christian Nationalist dominated government that is in bed with billionaires and autocrats. Movies reflect the society they were made in, and right now, things are grim for those who love freedom.
I was thinking about this movie yesterday. And now you've written about it. Art imitating life. Or is it the other way around?
Similar to "Civil War" Hollywood has been a socialist group think for to long. Trying to equate a leftist apocalyptic war film with a depiction of war crimes to ICE Officers doing their job is not responsible at all. And it fans the flames of divisiveness. Now, I sympathize with the political left. I understand everyday is the end of the world to you because Trump is president again. This is not how you win hearts and minds. I think "One Battle After Another" is in the same vein. The Hollywood left is just oozing over this picture. Why? A story about a domestic terrorist attacking feds. I'm sure that film and "Civil War" are inspirational to groups who are coordinating attacks on ICE Officers and facilities. Remember we are NOT a democracy. USA is a Democratic Republic. We live and die but the laws that are in place. If you don't want immigration law enforced, change the law. Until then you obey the law. Do not compare law enforcement to Militia, SS, KGB. Emotional arguments ruin nations. If you have never put on a vest and carried a rifle. I would encourage you to do a ride along. Get an idea of exactly what its like trying to enforce laws. Extracting child molesters out of cities who are protecting them. Making a simple traffic stop in hopes you are not fired upon when walking up to a window. Federal Law Supersedes state law (been that way since 1864). Cities & States cannot defy federal law. They couldn't under Obama, and Biden. Nothing has changed now.
So the laws say you cannot stop someone without probable cause. And the laws also say that an ICE agent cannot detain a citizen. And the laws don’t require citizens to produce an ID just because they are asked. And the laws also say that we are supposed to have due process. So which laws do you want to follow? Because the agents aren’t following theirs.
"ICE agents have the authority to detain individuals for interfering with immigration enforcement operations. This includes actions such as obstructing agents, resisting arrest, or attempting to evade arrest." Its easier to discuss actual events and not generalities or hearsay. Every arrest is different even for State / City law enforcement. "U.S. citizens are not legally required to provide ID to ICE when they are stopped or questioned. However, if a citizen is lawfully detained, it is advisable to show identification to prove citizenship status, as this may help secure their release. Citizens have the right to remain silent and do not have to answer questions about their immigration status unless they are detained." ICE officers / Just like all Law Enforcement does not apply sentencing. That's up to SCOTUS to decide what is justified and what is not. Again. Congress can change the law whenever they want.
Being advisable isn’t the law. Case closed. You can’t pick and choose which laws apply.
ICE can detain individuals if they believe they are in the U.S. unlawfully,
and not having ID can contribute to reasonable suspicion in such cases.
ICE's Authority to Detain
ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) has the authority to arrest and detain individuals suspected of being in the U.S. illegally. They do not require a judicial warrant to make these arrests and can initiate encounters based on reasonable suspicion that a person is unlawfully present in the country. This means that if an individual cannot provide identification, ICE agents may view this as a factor contributing to their suspicion regarding the person's immigration status.
Is ICE Allowed to Detain American Citizens?
No, ICE cannot legally arrest or deport a U.S. citizen. However, this does not mean ICE never detains American citizens. In fact, the federal government has even faced lawsuits for the wrongful detention of U.S. citizens. ICE may detain
citizens of the country if they have reason to believe they are not American citizens. While detaining an American citizen is a violation of the law, ICE might hold a person until they can confirm the citizenship status of the
individual. There are many reasons ICE may detain a person and they include:
Mistakenly identifying someone, such as confusion if they are looking for someone with a similar name Federal databases that contain inaccurate or outdated immigration records
A person was born to American citizen parents in another country and documentation of their citizenship is unclear or incomplete
Even though ICE does not have the authority to deport American citizens, the above errors show why quick legal intervention is of the utmost importance.
In summary, while ICE does have the authority to detain individuals for not having ID, this action is typically based on the suspicion that the person may be in the country unlawfully. Individuals should be aware of their rights during encounters with ICE and seek legal assistance
if they feel they are being wrongfully detained.
ICE can still Detain / Arrest people for obstructing their operations.
Just say you don’t mind being tread on dude. You like authoritarian rule. It’s ok! Just be you.
Yet you were ok with the same enforcement under Obama. Just say. you have no idea whats going on, but you stand with Hollywood. The figure of 2.4 million deportations during 2009–2016 became a touchstone for assessments of the Obama administration’s immigration enforcement, driving criticism from immigrant advocates and praise from those prioritizing public safety. This count is presented in overview accounts that track annual removals and underlies the moniker “Deporter‑in‑Chief,” which crystallized political debate about whether enforcement was appropriately focused on criminals or whether it cast too wide a net. Contemporary ICE reporting, including the FY 2024 Annual Report, does not retroactively detail these years but confirms ongoing high volumes of administrative and at‑large arrests in recent years, illustrating continuity in enforcement scale even as policy priorities shift
Just admit you're a fascist man. Otherwise you've typed several hundred words of nonsense to try to justify the harassment and even execution of citizens by a completely unregulated enforcement arm of the executive branch.
Read what the Minneapolis sheriff's department said. ICE is regulated by DHS. Nothing I've stated is inaccurate. Not sure where you think its legal to use your vehicle against any uniformed officer?
Except that didn't happen. And LEO are not allowed to shoot at the driver even if she did. You're a pathetic excuse for a human being. Like I said, just admit you're a fascist.
Re read the law. LEO can fire when someone uses their vehicle to ram law enforcement. On top of the 2020 law signed by tim waltz for MINN. Minnesota Statutes §609.066
Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz signed a 2020 law (Minnesota Statutes §609.066) allowing police to use deadly force against vehicles perceived as imminent threats – even before physical impact
Just block this crank POS, please, Jeff.